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5 5The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own How could you be anything other than a slave to The Darkness That Comes BeforeJason Deem s re imagery of the series covers Which I prefer to the original covers which is half a face in a circle.
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This novel is one of those novels that are basically impossible to review So excuse the word vomit Like a Malazan book, this series goes in its own category of badassery and uniqueness It can t be compared to just your standard fantasy due to the complexity and HUGE plot and backstory This whole entire world is new, unique and fascinating and you will not find another story like it, this is the reason why I m literally urging every grimdark fan to go read this now Seriously, you will thank me laterSome events marks us so deeply that they find force of presence in their aftermath than in their occurrence They are moments that rankle at becoming past, and so remain contemporaries of our beating heartsThe Darkness That Comes Before is Richard Scott Bakkers debut novel It was published in 2004 so obviously I am 13 years late to the fandom I was 12 years old when this book was first published so I m kind of glad I didn t read it then However it s never too late to become a mega fan of something so wonderful right Anyway I have had this series on my radar for over a year now but was abit nervous to start it due to the things I ve heard from a few friends say in regards to how complex the system used in the story is, Bakker has basically created a whole entire vivid world, he has made his own special unique magic system, characters, names and religions There is a lot of descriptions cough BORING and half the book is actually just info dump The story dives a lot into the religion Bakker has created, so I can understand why a lot of people find this book confusing and boring which brings me to my next point I see a lot of DNF did not finish reviews for The Darkness That Comes Before stating that it was boring and too slow , I totally get these points the start was freaking boring and so slow, I thought I was going to turn 90 before it got exciting, however it did get extremely interesting and I m so glad I continued on with the story, I actually think I loved it by the end The thing that annoys most people is the story starts in the middle of the story with no background information given, so you re basically thrown in the deep end and its either sink or swim I personally found it super confusing and had to read some pages three times and it still didn t make sense, but yeah, cool shit happened so I stayed interested until the end, I was actually fascinated and couldn t stop reading which doesn t happen often I actually just really enjoyed reading it, it did have a few issues which I will talk about later and those issues did prevent me from giving this novel a full five stars However there were so many new and wonderful ideas presented in this novel and I absolutely love new stuff Drusas Achamian fanart by QuinthaneFaith is the truth of passion Since no passion is true than another, faith is the truth of nothingThe Darkness That Comes Before is Bakkers first novel in a three part series, the books are about an unfolding religious war which brings the world to the brink of an impending apocalypse The story is told from multiple POVs from a cast of characters who are all on different sides of the war The thing that made me love the story the most is the fact that all the characters are grey No one is good and mostly everyone is an evil arsehole, what could you ask for Oh and the fact that the magic system is basically the COOLEST FREAKING MAGIC SYSTEM EVER, however it is so complex, hard to explain and weird, it is basically based on abstractions powerful sorcerers can create lines and curves out of energy, weak sorcerers must rely on meagre resources like conjuring a dragons head to create flame and burn down a whole entire army Cnauir fanart by QuinthaneWell anyway I m struggling to explain this story and write my own mini blurb so here s the actual blurbA score of centuries has passed since the First Apocalypse The No God has been vanquished and the thoughts of men have turned, inevitably, to worldly concernsDrusas Achamian, tormented by 2,000 year old nightmares, is a sorcerer and a spy, constantly seeking news of an ancient enemy that few believe still exists Ikurei Conphas, nephew to the Nansur Emperor, is the Exalt General of the Imperial Army and a military genius He plots to conquer the known world for his Emperor and dreams of the throne for himself Maithanet, mysterious and charismatic, is spiritual leader of the Thousand Temples He seeks a Holy War to cleanse the land of the infidel Cnaiur, Chieftain of the Utemot, is a Scylvendi barbarian Rejected by his people, he seeks vengeance against the former slave who slew his father, and disgraced him in the eyes of his tribe Into this world steps Anasurimbor Kellhus, the product of two thousand years of breeding and a lifetime of training in the ways of thought, limb, and face Steering souls through the subtleties of word and expression, he slowly binds all man and woman, emperor and slave to his own mysterious ends But the fate of men even great men means little when the world itself may soon be torn asunder Behind the politics, beneath the imperialist expansion, amongst the religious fervour, a dark and ancient evil is reawakening After two thousand years, the No God is returning The Second Apocalypse is nigh And one cannot raise walls against what has been forgottenThis novel is basically a huge Prelude for the other books in the series, so if you do decide to read it please remember to be patient and keep on reading because you are truly in for a treat.
BUT in saying that there was a few things that I didn t like about this book, firstly I m going to talk about the pacing, yes I have crapped on about how good this novel is and how patient you must be blah blah but honestly, the pacing is freaking terrible I was so bored and confused for majority of the book, everything is all over the place and I guarantee you will not have a clue what is going on until the end, even then I ll bet you ll still be mildly confused Secondly, a lot of effort has been put into the world building and the charactization is truly amazing same of the best I ve ever seen but I just can t get past how SHOCKINGLY SHIT the names of the characters are I could not pronounce most of the names so ended up calling the characters nicknames Thirdly, when going into this novel I heard it came across as extremely sexiest, I wanted to call bullshit but half way through I got sick of every male character stating how women were weak or teasing someone and comparing their weakness to a women, I also didn t appreciate the fact that every man in this book EXCEPT ONE, thought all women were whores Yeah DA FUQ You think women are weak Fight me and I ll kick your arse mother fucker jokes but seriously, I m not a feminist but I got sick of hearing this bullshit, YES I understand these views are not the authors and are the arsehole characters he has created and YES I understand it is a cruel harsh world, however sometimes you get sick of reading that bullshit So yes if you are a feminist and easily offended by these themes you should definitely steer clear of this series It stinks of masculinity Oh and I nearly forgot to mention that the only two female characters were a whore and a concubine and both were weak as Lastly I feel like he just wrote violent scenes for the sake of being violent and I feel like he was just sitting at his writing desk and got bored and thought hey I m going to just add a torture scene here for fun and shock value I love violence and I m actually complaining that this was a tad too violent One thing I absolutely adored was Kell insert hearteyes and all the praise in the entire universe he is an enigmatic, beautiful MONK, devoid of emotion and driven by purpose and stubbornness He exploits and kills everyone who gets in his way, master of manipulation and full time badass What is Kells true purpose Who knows is he evil or will he be a hero secretly hope he is a villain and will conjure himself into a real person and marry hers truly I m certainly excited to find out everything about him Such an intriguing character and a perfect example of grey Kellhus fanart by QuinthaneThe world has long ceased to be the author of your anguishSo all in all a satisfying read Bakker has a unique way of writing and I recently found out he is also a philosopher which totally shows through his writing Some of his dialogue is dense and definitely hard to digest especially for a simpleton like me, I had googled open the entire time while reading and also found some of his sentences forced There is a shit ton of sex scenes and they are extremely graphic just like the violence so if your made of rainbows, stay away this novel will literally rain on your parade and crush your optimistic view on life But in all honestly it did produce some of my favourite book battles ever yeah I just went there and it was full of politics and court intrigue.
Recommended to fans of GRRM A Song of Fire and Ice Series and also fans of Steve Eriksons Malazan Series.
Ps I haven t stopped thinking about this book for a whole entire month.
Pss Literally can t wait to keep reading this series because it s mind blowing good You can find this review and my other reviews at booksprens.
This was a disappointment I generally like epic fantasy, but this author is convinced that having absolutely no exposition is perfectly okay when creating a world It s not If there are 8 different countries and nationalities, a few nobles, a few peasants, 12 different factions within each nationality, 5 different schools of magic, 3 different major religious beliefs, some humans, some not humans maybe and all these things are named with the most un familiar sounding tripe names you can imagine even for fantasy then you gotta give the reader something to serve as a guide to what the fuck is going on.
Ha I love the reviews for this book If you re older than 14, and have ever read anything the cover of which does not feature embossed gold lettering and a fire breathing dragon Goddess, you love it People who don t understand the show vs tell distinction but use it anyway, people who have the vocabulary of a 12 year old, and people who are unwilling to put in any effort whatsoever hate it I don t read much fantasy, just because I can t take much description in prose, let alone the stilted, turgid style that seems to dominate the genre But that s not a problem here Simply put, this is beautifully written, very intelligent and suitably imaginative Reading it is a pleasure thanks to Bakker s style it s engrossing thanks to the characters and the story and it s funny if you can train spot all the historical references They range from the first Crusade Xerius Alexius I Maithenet Urban II through a whole range of philosophical schools from the Eastern and Western traditions Most of the book is written in varying degrees of free indirect style, and occasionally Bakker s need to stuff information into a scene is a bit too noticeable But given how much information the reader needs in order to understand the world she s being thrown into, it s not too outrageous Sometimes Bakker has too many fragments, but they weren t too obtrusive The real problem here was pointed out by another reviewer the women are all whores or shrews I don t mean in general I mean there are three women in the book, and they are whores or shrews I ll give Bakker the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he s trying to point out a fact about our world s deplorable treatment of women by highlighting how badly they re treated in the world of the novel the narrator is definitely sympathetic to Esmenet, at least I hope he s writing those characters with something clever in mind it s than a little obnoxious otherwise.
This is a fantasy tale of epic proportions it starts with events taken place 2,000 years ago and continues all the way to present As the events of the past were described in 2 pages and the rest 600 pages took place now I will ignore the former We are talking about lands with multitude of people with different languages, cultures, religions, etc A long time ago practically everybody was obliterated by so called First Apocalypse or great war, to put it in simple terms These days a charismatic leader appeared from nowhere and decided it would be a good idea to get things moving by declaring a Holy War Everybody and their brother realized it would be fun to have one, so the world kept its breath waiting for the Big Boss to say against whom the war will be Finally a victim was chosen and the preparations began Obviously every single ruler of the every single nation began looking for their own advantages, thus intrigues were plenty Add to this a mysterious all powerful guy I always envisioned him as Yoda on steroids whose purpose was unclear even to himself, a barbarian who made Conan look like a kindergarten bully, a sorcerer spy looking for an ancient enemy everybody forgot about the only guy smart enough to ask himself whether The Holy War would be The Second Apocalypse, a couple of broken prostitutes and you have The Darkness That Comes Before.
I finished the book all 600 pages of it This means it is not completely hopeless I was not exactly bored, but there was not a single moment that made me even mildly excited Reading it reminded me of eating oats it is nutritious, filling, will not let you starve, but it is completely bland killing all the joys coming from the process of having a meal Come to think of this I know people that like oats I suspect they are also closeted hardcore masochists This lack of excitement completely killed the series for me Everything else that a great fantasy work needs is present world building, interesting characters males only I could not find any remotely interesting non broken or non pervert female , Big Bad Guys, intriguing magic system, epic ness, etc In one of me earlier reviews I mentioned that 3 stars sometimes mean Nice, but I am not reading the next book and also I am mildly curious what comes next Please note that I shamelessly copy pasted myself here In any way, this time it is the former case I found enough motivation to finish the book, but I cannot find any motivation whatsoever to continue with the series.
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5 5The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own How could you be anything other than a slave to The Darkness That Comes BeforeJason Deem s re imagery of the series covers Which I prefer to the original covers which is half a face in a circle.
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This novel is one of those novels that are basically impossible to review So excuse the word vomit Like a Malazan book, this series goes in its own category of badassery and uniqueness It can t be compared to just your standard fantasy due to the complexity and HUGE plot and backstory This whole entire world is new, unique and fascinating and you will not find another story like it, this is the reason why I m literally urging every grimdark fan to go read this now Seriously, you will thank me laterSome events marks us so deeply that they find force of presence in their aftermath than in their occurrence They are moments that rankle at becoming past, and so remain contemporaries of our beating heartsThe Darkness That Comes Before is Richard Scott Bakkers debut novel It was published in 2004 so obviously I am 13 years late to the fandom I was 12 years old when this book was first published so I m kind of glad I didn t read it then However it s never too late to become a mega fan of something so wonderful right Anyway I have had this series on my radar for over a year now but was abit nervous to start it due to the things I ve heard from a few friends say in regards to how complex the system used in the story is, Bakker has basically created a whole entire vivid world, he has made his own special unique magic system, characters, names and religions There is a lot of descriptions cough BORING and half the book is actually just info dump The story dives a lot into the religion Bakker has created, so I can understand why a lot of people find this book confusing and boring which brings me to my next point I see a lot of DNF did not finish reviews for The Darkness That Comes Before stating that it was boring and too slow , I totally get these points the start was freaking boring and so slow, I thought I was going to turn 90 before it got exciting, however it did get extremely interesting and I m so glad I continued on with the story, I actually think I loved it by the end The thing that annoys most people is the story starts in the middle of the story with no background information given, so you re basically thrown in the deep end and its either sink or swim I personally found it super confusing and had to read some pages three times and it still didn t make sense, but yeah, cool shit happened so I stayed interested until the end, I was actually fascinated and couldn t stop reading which doesn t happen often I actually just really enjoyed reading it, it did have a few issues which I will talk about later and those issues did prevent me from giving this novel a full five stars However there were so many new and wonderful ideas presented in this novel and I absolutely love new stuff Drusas Achamian fanart by QuinthaneFaith is the truth of passion Since no passion is true than another, faith is the truth of nothingThe Darkness That Comes Before is Bakkers first novel in a three part series, the books are about an unfolding religious war which brings the world to the brink of an impending apocalypse The story is told from multiple POVs from a cast of characters who are all on different sides of the war The thing that made me love the story the most is the fact that all the characters are grey No one is good and mostly everyone is an evil arsehole, what could you ask for Oh and the fact that the magic system is basically the COOLEST FREAKING MAGIC SYSTEM EVER, however it is so complex, hard to explain and weird, it is basically based on abstractions powerful sorcerers can create lines and curves out of energy, weak sorcerers must rely on meagre resources like conjuring a dragons head to create flame and burn down a whole entire army Cnauir fanart by QuinthaneWell anyway I m struggling to explain this story and write my own mini blurb so here s the actual blurbA score of centuries has passed since the First Apocalypse The No God has been vanquished and the thoughts of men have turned, inevitably, to worldly concernsDrusas Achamian, tormented by 2,000 year old nightmares, is a sorcerer and a spy, constantly seeking news of an ancient enemy that few believe still exists Ikurei Conphas, nephew to the Nansur Emperor, is the Exalt General of the Imperial Army and a military genius He plots to conquer the known world for his Emperor and dreams of the throne for himself Maithanet, mysterious and charismatic, is spiritual leader of the Thousand Temples He seeks a Holy War to cleanse the land of the infidel Cnaiur, Chieftain of the Utemot, is a Scylvendi barbarian Rejected by his people, he seeks vengeance against the former slave who slew his father, and disgraced him in the eyes of his tribe Into this world steps Anasurimbor Kellhus, the product of two thousand years of breeding and a lifetime of training in the ways of thought, limb, and face Steering souls through the subtleties of word and expression, he slowly binds all man and woman, emperor and slave to his own mysterious ends But the fate of men even great men means little when the world itself may soon be torn asunder Behind the politics, beneath the imperialist expansion, amongst the religious fervour, a dark and ancient evil is reawakening After two thousand years, the No God is returning The Second Apocalypse is nigh And one cannot raise walls against what has been forgottenThis novel is basically a huge Prelude for the other books in the series, so if you do decide to read it please remember to be patient and keep on reading because you are truly in for a treat.
BUT in saying that there was a few things that I didn t like about this book, firstly I m going to talk about the pacing, yes I have crapped on about how good this novel is and how patient you must be blah blah but honestly, the pacing is freaking terrible I was so bored and confused for majority of the book, everything is all over the place and I guarantee you will not have a clue what is going on until the end, even then I ll bet you ll still be mildly confused Secondly, a lot of effort has been put into the world building and the charactization is truly amazing same of the best I ve ever seen but I just can t get past how SHOCKINGLY SHIT the names of the characters are I could not pronounce most of the names so ended up calling the characters nicknames Thirdly, when going into this novel I heard it came across as extremely sexiest, I wanted to call bullshit but half way through I got sick of every male character stating how women were weak or teasing someone and comparing their weakness to a women, I also didn t appreciate the fact that every man in this book EXCEPT ONE, thought all women were whores Yeah DA FUQ You think women are weak Fight me and I ll kick your arse mother fucker jokes but seriously, I m not a feminist but I got sick of hearing this bullshit, YES I understand these views are not the authors and are the arsehole characters he has created and YES I understand it is a cruel harsh world, however sometimes you get sick of reading that bullshit So yes if you are a feminist and easily offended by these themes you should definitely steer clear of this series It stinks of masculinity Oh and I nearly forgot to mention that the only two female characters were a whore and a concubine and both were weak as Lastly I feel like he just wrote violent scenes for the sake of being violent and I feel like he was just sitting at his writing desk and got bored and thought hey I m going to just add a torture scene here for fun and shock value I love violence and I m actually complaining that this was a tad too violent One thing I absolutely adored was Kell insert hearteyes and all the praise in the entire universe he is an enigmatic, beautiful MONK, devoid of emotion and driven by purpose and stubbornness He exploits and kills everyone who gets in his way, master of manipulation and full time badass What is Kells true purpose Who knows is he evil or will he be a hero secretly hope he is a villain and will conjure himself into a real person and marry hers truly I m certainly excited to find out everything about him Such an intriguing character and a perfect example of grey Kellhus fanart by QuinthaneThe world has long ceased to be the author of your anguishSo all in all a satisfying read Bakker has a unique way of writing and I recently found out he is also a philosopher which totally shows through his writing Some of his dialogue is dense and definitely hard to digest especially for a simpleton like me, I had googled open the entire time while reading and also found some of his sentences forced There is a shit ton of sex scenes and they are extremely graphic just like the violence so if your made of rainbows, stay away this novel will literally rain on your parade and crush your optimistic view on life But in all honestly it did produce some of my favourite book battles ever yeah I just went there and it was full of politics and court intrigue.
Recommended to fans of GRRM A Song of Fire and Ice Series and also fans of Steve Eriksons Malazan Series.
Ps I haven t stopped thinking about this book for a whole entire month.
Pss Literally can t wait to keep reading this series because it s mind blowing good You can find this review and my other reviews at booksprens.
This was a disappointment I generally like epic fantasy, but this author is convinced that having absolutely no exposition is perfectly okay when creating a world It s not If there are 8 different countries and nationalities, a few nobles, a few peasants, 12 different factions within each nationality, 5 different schools of magic, 3 different major religious beliefs, some humans, some not humans maybe and all these things are named with the most un familiar sounding tripe names you can imagine even for fantasy then you gotta give the reader something to serve as a guide to what the fuck is going on.
Ha I love the reviews for this book If you re older than 14, and have ever read anything the cover of which does not feature embossed gold lettering and a fire breathing dragon Goddess, you love it People who don t understand the show vs tell distinction but use it anyway, people who have the vocabulary of a 12 year old, and people who are unwilling to put in any effort whatsoever hate it I don t read much fantasy, just because I can t take much description in prose, let alone the stilted, turgid style that seems to dominate the genre But that s not a problem here Simply put, this is beautifully written, very intelligent and suitably imaginative Reading it is a pleasure thanks to Bakker s style it s engrossing thanks to the characters and the story and it s funny if you can train spot all the historical references They range from the first Crusade Xerius Alexius I Maithenet Urban II through a whole range of philosophical schools from the Eastern and Western traditions Most of the book is written in varying degrees of free indirect style, and occasionally Bakker s need to stuff information into a scene is a bit too noticeable But given how much information the reader needs in order to understand the world she s being thrown into, it s not too outrageous Sometimes Bakker has too many fragments, but they weren t too obtrusive The real problem here was pointed out by another reviewer the women are all whores or shrews I don t mean in general I mean there are three women in the book, and they are whores or shrews I ll give Bakker the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he s trying to point out a fact about our world s deplorable treatment of women by highlighting how badly they re treated in the world of the novel the narrator is definitely sympathetic to Esmenet, at least I hope he s writing those characters with something clever in mind it s than a little obnoxious otherwise.
This is a fantasy tale of epic proportions it starts with events taken place 2,000 years ago and continues all the way to present As the events of the past were described in 2 pages and the rest 600 pages took place now I will ignore the former We are talking about lands with multitude of people with different languages, cultures, religions, etc A long time ago practically everybody was obliterated by so called First Apocalypse or great war, to put it in simple terms These days a charismatic leader appeared from nowhere and decided it would be a good idea to get things moving by declaring a Holy War Everybody and their brother realized it would be fun to have one, so the world kept its breath waiting for the Big Boss to say against whom the war will be Finally a victim was chosen and the preparations began Obviously every single ruler of the every single nation began looking for their own advantages, thus intrigues were plenty Add to this a mysterious all powerful guy I always envisioned him as Yoda on steroids whose purpose was unclear even to himself, a barbarian who made Conan look like a kindergarten bully, a sorcerer spy looking for an ancient enemy everybody forgot about the only guy smart enough to ask himself whether The Holy War would be The Second Apocalypse, a couple of broken prostitutes and you have The Darkness That Comes Before.
I finished the book all 600 pages of it This means it is not completely hopeless I was not exactly bored, but there was not a single moment that made me even mildly excited Reading it reminded me of eating oats it is nutritious, filling, will not let you starve, but it is completely bland killing all the joys coming from the process of having a meal Come to think of this I know people that like oats I suspect they are also closeted hardcore masochists This lack of excitement completely killed the series for me Everything else that a great fantasy work needs is present world building, interesting characters males only I could not find any remotely interesting non broken or non pervert female , Big Bad Guys, intriguing magic system, epic ness, etc In one of me earlier reviews I mentioned that 3 stars sometimes mean Nice, but I am not reading the next book and also I am mildly curious what comes next Please note that I shamelessly copy pasted myself here In any way, this time it is the former case I found enough motivation to finish the book, but I cannot find any motivation whatsoever to continue with the series.
There are very few books that are as ambitious as R Scott Bakker s The Darkness That Comes Before Most authors would never attempt to create such a vast world with a deeply encompassing and vital intellectual history, and disparate races that have varying philosophical viewpoints and ways of perceiving the world This novel, while a putative fantasy, is so remarkably well conceived and executed that it feels like a historical recollection of a lost world In fact, Bakker liberally uses real Western civilization history and philosophy with some aspects of Middle Eastern thought and reshapes it especially for his world The result is an absolutely brilliant fantasy novel that elevates the entire genre to a new level.
First, I will admit to being bias toward Bakker s novel I studied philosophy both as an undergraduate and graduate student, so there is much here I recognize and appreciate from my studies Let s just say, the complexity of Bakker s work is suited to my kind of academic geek, one who is deeply fascinated in the why of things, events and history One who may be interested in Bakker s concept of The Darkness That Comes Before, and what events result from that state of pre rationality The novel is segmented into parts, each one following a different character and setting the scene for the second volume in the trilogy Drusas Achamian is a Mandate sorcerer, plagued by the terrible and bloody dreams of his long dead predecessor It is the Mandate school s mission to fight against the mysterious Consult, an organization whose existence has not been seen in decades Achamian is commanded to uncover information about the plans of Maithanet, the Shriah of The Thousand Temples, the major religion of the region Maithanet has recently declared the formation of a Holy War, a war that will take back the holy land of Shimeh What Achamian discovers is a mystery that is potentially at the heart of this newly declared Holy War Cnaiur is a Scylvendi barbarian, a survivor of the tremendous military defeat of his people at the hands of the martial prodigy, Ikurei Conphas Soon, he meets Anasurimbor Kellhus, the son of Anasurimbor Moenghus, a man who, in the past, lead Cnaiur to terrible actions against his father that still torture his soul Cnaiur and Kellhus make their way to Momemn to join the forces gathering for the Holy War, both with the agenda of finding Anasurimbor Moenghus.
Bakker writes with a depth to his characterization that is staggering His characters are as complete intellectually, emotionally, and philosophically as you could possibly imagine The world building is unbelievable, as each region and race have their own history, reasoning, and stance to the events that unfold during the course of the novel It is rather overwhelming and requires a great effort from the reader, but in the end, the effort pays off with a truly amazing fantasy experience.
It should be pointed out the majority of the novel is centered on setting the scene for the rest of the trilogy, to situate the reader in this finely imagined world This setting up is, in a sense, The Darkness That Comes Before, a pre history that will be necessary to fully comprehend that which follows in the next two volumes If R Scott Bakker s The Darkness That Comes Before is any indication, what follows may be the greatest fantasy trilogy ever.
Last Word An amazing experience that will challenge for one of the greatest fantasy novels ever released Bakker creates an incredible world, and populates it full of characters with such reality and intellectual history as to be staggeringly fascinating This is absolutely must read fantasy literature.
I never finished this book, actually I never finished the first chapter I couldn t read this book it was like the author grabbed a thesaurus and picked out vocabulary that would have even made Jerome Shostak have to look it up It made me hate the authorit felt arrogant, high handed and pissed me off shivers Amazing ePub, The Darkness That Comes Before By R.
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Is now on our website and you can download it by register what are you waiting for? Please read and make a refission for you Its jacket covered with hyperbolic praise, this book intrigued me enough that I borrowed it from our local library Reviewers compare it, ecstatically, to both the Song of Ice and Fire and the Lord of the Rings, though in some measure surpassing both of them Well, comparisons to LotR are de rigeur for any fantasy novel wanting to be taken seriously But why compare this to GRR Martin s series For the first hundred pages, the comparison seems nonsensical But then it starts to make a twisted sense The Darkness That Comes Before tries to take aspects of The Song of Ice and Fire in large part, many of the unpleasant aspects and surpass them The book follows multiple characters, but it doesn t follow the clear delineation by chapter break that GRRM does it s like an MTV jump cut version of character POV, as Bakker switches without warning between characters from one section to the next Thankfully, much of the time which character is speaking can be inferred by the context of the location setting Sadly, each of the characters is reprehensible, as if The Song of Ice and Fire had been rewritten with only Lannister characters excluding Tyrion he s too sympathetic.
Worst of all is the series titular character, Anasurimbor Kellhus, later jokingly called the Prince of Nothing , who is such an unabashed villain that I spent most of the novel building up a crazy hope that the author was going to kill off the character in a suitably nasty way As a result, the most sympathetic, relatable character is the insane barbarian Cnaiur, who, while being a horrible piece of work himself, earns the gratitude of the readers by being the only character to recognize what an inhuman monster Kellhus is By the end of the novel, if you re like me you ll be rooting for Cnaiur to get the better of Kellhus and save the world from his madness.
The setting is an interesting one magic is a taint that manifests itself in random individuals, who are then found and trained by one of the many Schools of magic Such sorcerers are tremendously feared by everyone else, for their completely out of reason powers to destroy multitudes Between the Schools there exists great rivalry and political machination Getting the least respect is the Mandate School, so called because their first grandmaster, at the end of his life of fighting the inhuman monsters called the Consult, cast a spell on his deathbed so that everyone indoctrinated to the School would dream the grandmaster s life at night as if it were his own When the story begins, than 2,000 years after the death of the grandmaster, the threat of the Consult is real and present to everyone in the Mandate, but to everyone else the sorcerers are cranks and lunatics though still possessed of dread arcane powers , fearing what they believe to be the imaginary threat of the Consult All pretty compelling, but the problem lies in the main character, who is a monk descendant of the grandmaster s first liege lord The monks have isolated themselves for the last few millennia in the far north, studying the Logos The Logos is a logic based on the premise that everyone s actions are predetermined by what has happened previously hence, The Darkness That Comes Before , and that by completely owning and occupying one s powerlessness over events one actually gains the ability to effortlessly predict and manipulate events For the whole novel we see Kellhus wandering the earth, manipulating and charming everyone to his own inscrutable ends, with a contempt for everyone else s lack of awareness of Reality He s like an evil robot, undefeatable in battle, wits, love and hate It may be that we are meant to like the character, but I doubt it, as he has no endearing qualities.
The quality of the writing the syntax, word choice, how phrases are formed is good, but the characters are all so base this is a hard book to read I will likely read the second book, though, just for the chance that someone, somewhere, will enact revenge on Kellhus for his crimes against, well, everyone.
This is my second read of Bakker s compelling dark fantasy The Darkness That Comes Before My first read was around the original publication date I recall this being one of the best dark fantasy books I d read to that point I remember thinking the writing was engaging, the plot was interesting, the world building was fantastic, and that the characters were memorable The only flaws I had identified was that the sheer complex nature of the world and characters meant that it took me about 100 pages or so to get to grips with the world and the characters I thought this was a sure 5 star read and one of the best dark fantasy books I d ever read So how did this hold up than a decade later with the added experience of having read a ton of other dark fantasy stories in the wake of the boom of the grimdark fantasy subgenre It held up really well This still ranks as one of my all time favourite dark fantasy books I still find Bakker s writing to be very engaging and I still feel like the depth to the world building and plot are excellent Bakker s characters might be tough to like but I was always sucked into their various story arcs This second time around I felt like the story was a bit easier to get into in the early stages.
This is complicated multi POV fantasy set in the brutal world of E rwa For the first time in a long time The Thousand Temples is unified behind a powerful, and mysterious, new leader That leader is threatening to call the faithful to arms for a Holy War The Inrithi nations are a fractured bunch and used to squabbling amongst themselves to secure their own share of power than anything else but the leaders of various nations all see a chance for glory and gain in the Holy War Agents across the Inrithi nations and from multiple other various factions in E rwa scramble to learn whether the Holy War s target will be the unclean sorcerers of the various lands or if it will be the powerful heathen nation of Kian To complicate matters even further it seems agents of the long forgotten No God might also be taking an interest in the happenings The story was complex and compelling and packed with action and intrigue as the various factions all sought to seize the Holy War and turn it to their own profit The other big win for this book was the characters None of them were particularly likeable but all of them were interesting and had fascinating stories Kellhus was one of the memorable and unique characters I ve come across in all my years of reading The D nyain monk s ability to twist any situation to his advantage was as horrifying as it was compelling This was a dark story No surprise given that a lot of the main characters were pretty awful people and that the story and world was reminiscent of the Crusades in the medieval period Only with a bunch of fun magic and supernatural creatures thrown in to complicate matters and make them even exciting That said, I did not feel like this was over the top grim, as I feel is an issue with a lot of modern grimdark stories, and that Bakker managed to mitigate a lot of the real horrors of his brutal world by not revelling in that brutality and horror A lot of it got described in a distant way that made it palatable for the reader This rates up there with Gardens of the Moon and Game of Thrones for me All in all I loved this one and it remains one of the best dark fantasy stories I ve read Rating 5 stars.
Audio Note I felt like David DeVries did a good job with the audios His character voices were decent and he seemed to handle the voice acting as well.
I ve gone through some reviews and it seems to me The Darkness That Comes Before isn t everybody s cup of tea There are a lot of one star reviews and heaps of dnf s Well, now that I ve read it, I guess i know why I reckon this book is not a walk in the park, Bakker s prose gets a bit cryptical here and there It s really not the easiest text to get into and it might get a tad frustrating, alright I mean, sometimes the reader finds himself wondering what is going on I, for one, had to stop and go back at least a couple of times in order to string everything together Also, there are quite a few slow bits and plenty of political tangle BUT, when you finally get the hang of it, TDTCB is highly rewarding in a Malazan ish sort of way.
Aye, imho The Malazan Book of The Fallen is the closest thing to The Prince of Nothing Bakker, just like Erickson, throws everything at you without bothering to explain, so the learning curve is extremely steep It s kind of a messy patchwork with several story lines but, again, I think it s a tremendous mess.
Favourite character Esmenet Poor girl, I really felt for her.
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I never finished this book, actually I never finished the first chapter I couldn t read this book it was like the author grabbed a thesaurus and picked out vocabulary that would have even made Jerome Shostak have to look it up It made me hate the authorit felt arrogant, high handed and pissed me off shivers There are very few books that are as ambitious as R Scott Bakker s The Darkness That Comes Before Most authors would never attempt to create such a vast world with a deeply encompassing and vital intellectual history, and disparate races that have varying philosophical viewpoints and ways of perceiving the world This novel, while a putative fantasy, is so remarkably well conceived and executed that it feels like a historical recollection of a lost world In fact, Bakker liberally uses real Western civilization history and philosophy with some aspects of Middle Eastern thought and reshapes it especially for his world The result is an absolutely brilliant fantasy novel that elevates the entire genre to a new level.
First, I will admit to being bias toward Bakker s novel I studied philosophy both as an undergraduate and graduate student, so there is much here I recognize and appreciate from my studies Let s just say, the complexity of Bakker s work is suited to my kind of academic geek, one who is deeply fascinated in the why of things, events and history One who may be interested in Bakker s concept of The Darkness That Comes Before, and what events result from that state of pre rationality The novel is segmented into parts, each one following a different character and setting the scene for the second volume in the trilogy Drusas Achamian is a Mandate sorcerer, plagued by the terrible and bloody dreams of his long dead predecessor It is the Mandate school s mission to fight against the mysterious Consult, an organization whose existence has not been seen in decades Achamian is commanded to uncover information about the plans of Maithanet, the Shriah of The Thousand Temples, the major religion of the region Maithanet has recently declared the formation of a Holy War, a war that will take back the holy land of Shimeh What Achamian discovers is a mystery that is potentially at the heart of this newly declared Holy War Cnaiur is a Scylvendi barbarian, a survivor of the tremendous military defeat of his people at the hands of the martial prodigy, Ikurei Conphas Soon, he meets Anasurimbor Kellhus, the son of Anasurimbor Moenghus, a man who, in the past, lead Cnaiur to terrible actions against his father that still torture his soul Cnaiur and Kellhus make their way to Momemn to join the forces gathering for the Holy War, both with the agenda of finding Anasurimbor Moenghus.
Bakker writes with a depth to his characterization that is staggering His characters are as complete intellectually, emotionally, and philosophically as you could possibly imagine The world building is unbelievable, as each region and race have their own history, reasoning, and stance to the events that unfold during the course of the novel It is rather overwhelming and requires a great effort from the reader, but in the end, the effort pays off with a truly amazing fantasy experience.
It should be pointed out the majority of the novel is centered on setting the scene for the rest of the trilogy, to situate the reader in this finely imagined world This setting up is, in a sense, The Darkness That Comes Before, a pre history that will be necessary to fully comprehend that which follows in the next two volumes If R Scott Bakker s The Darkness That Comes Before is any indication, what follows may be the greatest fantasy trilogy ever.
Last Word An amazing experience that will challenge for one of the greatest fantasy novels ever released Bakker creates an incredible world, and populates it full of characters with such reality and intellectual history as to be staggeringly fascinating This is absolutely must read fantasy literature.
Its jacket covered with hyperbolic praise, this book intrigued me enough that I borrowed it from our local library Reviewers compare it, ecstatically, to both the Song of Ice and Fire and the Lord of the Rings, though in some measure surpassing both of them Well, comparisons to LotR are de rigeur for any fantasy novel wanting to be taken seriously But why compare this to GRR Martin s series For the first hundred pages, the comparison seems nonsensical But then it starts to make a twisted sense The Darkness That Comes Before tries to take aspects of The Song of Ice and Fire in large part, many of the unpleasant aspects and surpass them The book follows multiple characters, but it doesn t follow the clear delineation by chapter break that GRRM does it s like an MTV jump cut version of character POV, as Bakker switches without warning between characters from one section to the next Thankfully, much of the time which character is speaking can be inferred by the context of the location setting Sadly, each of the characters is reprehensible, as if The Song of Ice and Fire had been rewritten with only Lannister characters excluding Tyrion he s too sympathetic.
Worst of all is the series titular character, Anasurimbor Kellhus, later jokingly called the Prince of Nothing , who is such an unabashed villain that I spent most of the novel building up a crazy hope that the author was going to kill off the character in a suitably nasty way As a result, the most sympathetic, relatable character is the insane barbarian Cnaiur, who, while being a horrible piece of work himself, earns the gratitude of the readers by being the only character to recognize what an inhuman monster Kellhus is By the end of the novel, if you re like me you ll be rooting for Cnaiur to get the better of Kellhus and save the world from his madness.
The setting is an interesting one magic is a taint that manifests itself in random individuals, who are then found and trained by one of the many Schools of magic Such sorcerers are tremendously feared by everyone else, for their completely out of reason powers to destroy multitudes Between the Schools there exists great rivalry and political machination Getting the least respect is the Mandate School, so called because their first grandmaster, at the end of his life of fighting the inhuman monsters called the Consult, cast a spell on his deathbed so that everyone indoctrinated to the School would dream the grandmaster s life at night as if it were his own When the story begins, than 2,000 years after the death of the grandmaster, the threat of the Consult is real and present to everyone in the Mandate, but to everyone else the sorcerers are cranks and lunatics though still possessed of dread arcane powers , fearing what they believe to be the imaginary threat of the Consult All pretty compelling, but the problem lies in the main character, who is a monk descendant of the grandmaster s first liege lord The monks have isolated themselves for the last few millennia in the far north, studying the Logos The Logos is a logic based on the premise that everyone s actions are predetermined by what has happened previously hence, The Darkness That Comes Before , and that by completely owning and occupying one s powerlessness over events one actually gains the ability to effortlessly predict and manipulate events For the whole novel we see Kellhus wandering the earth, manipulating and charming everyone to his own inscrutable ends, with a contempt for everyone else s lack of awareness of Reality He s like an evil robot, undefeatable in battle, wits, love and hate It may be that we are meant to like the character, but I doubt it, as he has no endearing qualities.
The quality of the writing the syntax, word choice, how phrases are formed is good, but the characters are all so base this is a hard book to read I will likely read the second book, though, just for the chance that someone, somewhere, will enact revenge on Kellhus for his crimes against, well, everyone.
This is my second read of Bakker s compelling dark fantasy The Darkness That Comes Before My first read was around the original publication date I recall this being one of the best dark fantasy books I d read to that point I remember thinking the writing was engaging, the plot was interesting, the world building was fantastic, and that the characters were memorable The only flaws I had identified was that the sheer complex nature of the world and characters meant that it took me about 100 pages or so to get to grips with the world and the characters I thought this was a sure 5 star read and one of the best dark fantasy books I d ever read So how did this hold up than a decade later with the added experience of having read a ton of other dark fantasy stories in the wake of the boom of the grimdark fantasy subgenre It held up really well This still ranks as one of my all time favourite dark fantasy books I still find Bakker s writing to be very engaging and I still feel like the depth to the world building and plot are excellent Bakker s characters might be tough to like but I was always sucked into their various story arcs This second time around I felt like the story was a bit easier to get into in the early stages.
This is complicated multi POV fantasy set in the brutal world of E rwa For the first time in a long time The Thousand Temples is unified behind a powerful, and mysterious, new leader That leader is threatening to call the faithful to arms for a Holy War The Inrithi nations are a fractured bunch and used to squabbling amongst themselves to secure their own share of power than anything else but the leaders of various nations all see a chance for glory and gain in the Holy War Agents across the Inrithi nations and from multiple other various factions in E rwa scramble to learn whether the Holy War s target will be the unclean sorcerers of the various lands or if it will be the powerful heathen nation of Kian To complicate matters even further it seems agents of the long forgotten No God might also be taking an interest in the happenings The story was complex and compelling and packed with action and intrigue as the various factions all sought to seize the Holy War and turn it to their own profit The other big win for this book was the characters None of them were particularly likeable but all of them were interesting and had fascinating stories Kellhus was one of the memorable and unique characters I ve come across in all my years of reading The D nyain monk s ability to twist any situation to his advantage was as horrifying as it was compelling This was a dark story No surprise given that a lot of the main characters were pretty awful people and that the story and world was reminiscent of the Crusades in the medieval period Only with a bunch of fun magic and supernatural creatures thrown in to complicate matters and make them even exciting That said, I did not feel like this was over the top grim, as I feel is an issue with a lot of modern grimdark stories, and that Bakker managed to mitigate a lot of the real horrors of his brutal world by not revelling in that brutality and horror A lot of it got described in a distant way that made it palatable for the reader This rates up there with Gardens of the Moon and Game of Thrones for me All in all I loved this one and it remains one of the best dark fantasy stories I ve read Rating 5 stars.
Audio Note I felt like David DeVries did a good job with the audios His character voices were decent and he seemed to handle the voice acting as well.
I ve gone through some reviews and it seems to me The Darkness That Comes Before isn t everybody s cup of tea There are a lot of one star reviews and heaps of dnf s Well, now that I ve read it, I guess i know why I reckon this book is not a walk in the park, Bakker s prose gets a bit cryptical here and there It s really not the easiest text to get into and it might get a tad frustrating, alright I mean, sometimes the reader finds himself wondering what is going on I, for one, had to stop and go back at least a couple of times in order to string everything together Also, there are quite a few slow bits and plenty of political tangle BUT, when you finally get the hang of it, TDTCB is highly rewarding in a Malazan ish sort of way.
Aye, imho The Malazan Book of The Fallen is the closest thing to The Prince of Nothing Bakker, just like Erickson, throws everything at you without bothering to explain, so the learning curve is extremely steep It s kind of a messy patchwork with several story lines but, again, I think it s a tremendous mess.
Favourite character Esmenet Poor girl, I really felt for her.
At the end of the day